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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT   

Poker[Note: in 2008, we settled our lawsuit and I started playing WPTs again.]

I'm in Vegas and I want to play poker, but I won't be playing the World Poker Tour at the Bellagio, or any more WPT tournaments, until the WPT changes the player release that they force every player to sign before playing. The current release sets practically no limit to what the WPT can do with a player's name and likeness, and the WPT has shown that it will exploit players' names and likenesses beyond what any of us accept as reasonable. I've tried negotiating with the WPT, but they will not make any significant changes. I'm not the best known player (I'm sure Chris Ferguson's decision not to play will have more of an effect) so not playing the WPT may hurt my career, but I think it's a risk worth taking.

On the other hand, the World Series of Poker has responded to players concerns and the most recent release, while not perfect, is something I'm much more comfortable signing.

In case you are interested, here is the main part of the WPT release that I don't like (from the Foxwoods 2005 version, available from the Foxwoods WPF website:

1) Grant of Rights. Player acknowledges that WPT Enterprises, Inc. and its successors, assigns and licensees (collectively, “WPT”) will be recording, filming, photographing and exploiting films and/or television specials or other audio visual works of and/or about the Tour Event (jointly and severally the “Programs”). Player consents to such filming and exploitation of the Programs, and hereby irrevocably grants to WPT the right to film, record, edit, reproduce and otherwise use Player's name, photograph, likeness, signature, biographical information, appearance, actions (including, without limitation, revealing Player's hole cards), conversations (including, without limitation, “behind the scenes” footage and filmed interviews with Player) and/or voice (the “Recordings”) in, and in connection with, the Programs and/or the “World Poker Tour” and in connection with the distribution, advertising, publicizing, exhibition, and exploitation thereof and of other audio-visual works (including, without limitation, “behind the scenes” productions and public service announcements) and any and all derivative, allied, subsidiary and/or ancillary uses related thereto (including, without limitation, merchandising, commercial tie-ins, publications, home entertainment, video games, commodities, etc.), in whole or in part, by any and all means, media, devices, processes and technology now or hereafter known or devised in perpetuity throughout the universe.

I've italicized the parts that I'd like to see removed and that I've actually attempted to cross out in the past. (Usually they would accept my modified release at the registration desk, but someone from the WPT would then come and try to force me to sign it during the tournament.)

Contrast the WPT release with the latest WSOP circuit release, which has just one sentence related to this:

In consideration of my being permitted to participate in said promotion, I do hereby accept and irrevocably authorize Showboat Casino Hotel and its successors and assigns (including but not limited to ESPN) to print, publish, televise or otherwise utilize my photograph or any likeness of me for promotional purposes without compensation.
While the line between permissible "promotional purposes" and impermissible merchandising needs to be defined a little bit, the WSOPC release is a lot better than the WPT's "any and all derivative, allied, subsidiary and/or ancillary uses related thereto (including, without limitation, merchandising, commercial tie-ins, publications, home entertainment, video games, commodities, etc.)".

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: tiltboy on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 04:03 PM EST
Andy, I support your stance. FWIW, I will also not play in any WPT tournaments until they show significant interest in treating the players fairly and with respect.

I recommend that you (and others) cross-post to the larger forums like 2+2, RGP, etc.

--Rafe

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: almostrambo on Tuesday, April 08 2008 @ 07:13 PM EDT
I support this decision too. Those contracts can be... well, let's say that one is just the tip of the iceberg. I'll still to some online play until they change their stance.

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WPT should study sports history
Authored by: flintsword on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 04:21 PM EST
Players are valuable properties and they have agents. Those agents will - given time - explain to the WPT that the liberites they are taking securing excessive releases belong to the past. Will the WPT adapt and grow, or will a strategy of confrontation be taken? One thing is certain: It will not take long for the top players to know exactly what their rights are and what is reasonable.

Ironically, at the same time as the WPT obtains blanket releases from the players, they issued a very skimpy DVD set of the last tour year. Much less material than in previous years. Some players that won might have been expecting to be in the WPT DVD, but suddenly find themselves not part of the DVD.

It is a control issue and if the WPT proves inflexible, the players *will* get together to force the issue. Andy's action is only the starter's gun going off.

If history is any yardstick, it will be a lot cheaper for the WPT to apply flexibility now, rather than face a professional poker player's union in 2008, or sooner. Worse, ... a competing poker tour that treats the players better.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: flash1296 on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 05:03 PM EST
I endorse Andy's position.

I would have thought that a mention of Andy's being a Harvard Law
School Graduate would enhance the likelihood of others paying close
attention to what he has to say in a quasi-legal / ethical issue such as
this.

---
"All of life is 11/10 against."

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: 711Buddha on Saturday, December 31 2005 @ 01:59 PM EST
Yeah, cause lawyers are all about ethics.

Not saying he's wrong, just wow...

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: DeeDeeAlone on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 05:45 PM EST
Andy,

Could the consent be challenged as a contract without consideration? Are the tourneys' prize structures and vigs the same as untelevised tourneys? Could you compare with mandatory payments of SAG workers? Or is the chance at free publicity sufficient consideration itself?

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Consideration
Authored by: AlanBostick on Thursday, December 15 2005 @ 05:51 PM EST
The Foxwoods WPT release to which Andy links begins with the language, "In consideration for the opportunity to participate in the World Poker Tour series including the Foxwoods World Poker Finals...."

That is to say, the waiver describes something that WPT presumes to be consideration for contractual purposes.

(I am not a lawyer.)

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Other Litigation Possibilities?
Authored by: DeeDeeAlone on Friday, December 16 2005 @ 06:58 PM EST
Even if they use that language, it still may be possible to challenge it. A better litigation strategy may be to get David the Dragon Pham, Carlos Mortensen, or someone else to sue the WPT and the Travel Channel for the voiceover commercials. (I haven't seen the commercials, but I can picture them based on descriptions in Paul Phillips's blog.) If they are offensive and racial, and a standard viewer would think that David did his own voiceover, then there may possible be a defamation claim, right to publicity claim, or something that is not included in the waiver, or if the waiver does require an Asian to agree to the denigration of his culture to play cards, then that portion of the the waiver is unenforceable. Even filing a lawsuit may get the WPT to agree to modify their release before litigating it.

I'm not a lawyer either, though I may be one some day. I'm just tossing out ideas for Andy, because I know he is a HLS grad, isn't afraid to fight the man, and has successfully argued before the second highest court of the country. Sue 'em all!

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: cgrohman on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 06:34 PM EST
More power to you Andy. I also tried to fight the signing of the Foxwoods release, but gave up far quicker than you did. The provision you provide particuarly heinous could be interpreted to go as far as permitting the WPT to create a video game where they use you name etc. on it as one of the featured players. I dont see any immediate legal challenges to the contract. In response to one posted thought, I beleive there is consideration. In exchange for them allowing you to participate in the torunament, you must agree to the terms of the release as well as pony up $10K. Anyway, best of luck.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: AceCracker on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 09:57 PM EST
I can understand the point you are making here Andy , and like any "professional" , your name is a large part of your earning power. Let me play devil's advicate if I may for a brief second though. Howard , for instance , was a knock around guy , (no Harvard degreee) , in fact I've heard he made sandwiches and blew his earnings on 2-4 tables while getting started. My point being , the WPT has made alot of the marketable pros , such as yourself and others , very much in demand . Full Tilt is a perfect example , without WPT the site would be non-existent. I do not disagree with you that they do play the shows over and over , and are making a fortune off the better known names . I would suggest a couple of things just as a start of turning it around , and getting yourself , Howard , and Jesus back in the games where people love to watch you . I think the entry fees should be 100% prize pool , and the wpt should absorbe any and all expenses incurred from the hosting casino. I also think , while the televised airing of the shows are numerous and it would be great to earn from them that this is something that will be tackled later down the road, but why not have some stipulation for dvd and other merchandising that directly uses your likeness or name. Well , good luck sir , and I hope to see you in the ring soon live and in person , hopefuly a wpt final table , just thought I'd play from the other side on this one for arguement's sake.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: republicans_suk on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 11:05 PM EST
Good for you! That is way too open ended. Just like the national guardsmen who have served their time and deserve to return home are being retained against their will, you never know how you will be used once you sign away your claim. You should always have a recourse. This "contract" reads liks a cheap porn star contract..... "$1400.00 for the movie is all you have a claim to. After that, we can do what we want...." Your agents should all band together and demand residuals. Period. End of story.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: Brenda1226j on Monday, December 12 2005 @ 11:45 PM EST
i endorse with Mr. Bloch. that says it all!

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NOW you tell me...
Authored by: tscherer on Tuesday, December 13 2005 @ 02:38 AM EST
Andy, just 3 days ago I won a satellite at PokerStars for a seat in the WPT event in the Bahamas... I was looking forward to seeing you there! If you'd mentioned this sooner, I wouldn't have tried so hard to win the satellite. I mean, an $8k buyin is nice, but not if I have to risk having my face used in a video game without my permission!

Ah well, I'll probably sign the waiver and go anyhow... I'm such a scab, I know.

- Tony

p.s.- I'm head to LV in a few days, I'll give you a call

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: Whimmy on Tuesday, December 13 2005 @ 05:47 AM EST
Right on Andy. I hope the rest of the top name poker players join you.

I think the WPT got to big to fast. They need to consider the poker player's best interests.

As a viewer, IMO, the tournaments aired on ESPN and Fox Sports are a lot better to watch.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: RakeTheTable on Tuesday, December 13 2005 @ 04:25 PM EST
Amen! Take a stand and let's put a stop to this. There is enough money to be made by all. IF all can work together. WPT - Have a clause for those who are professional enough to be marketing themselves. It's that easy.
Chip-Atlanta

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: lorenkoss on Wednesday, December 14 2005 @ 03:04 AM EST
Andy and all others - I feel you are just plain wrong. Poker is blowing up and you and all the current "pros" (such an odd word to describe someone who makes a living at poker, but what the hey) will be a thing of the past tomorrow unless you continue to enter these tournaments and make it to the final table, thus being shown on TV. You seem to think you are bigger than the game, like most union members do (even though you arent in a union), and then soon realize when the company wont budge that you give in. Which you will. . There will be NO POKER UNION - thats just plain stupid. Remember what unions are truly for and you will realize that poker players DO NOT NEED ONE.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: AndyBloch on Wednesday, December 14 2005 @ 07:40 AM EST
I haven't mentioned union yet, but since you've brought up, name a major sport where the players have not formed a union or association or some other organization.

There are other options to the WPT, such as the WSOPC, where the chance of getting on TV is higher and the releases are more player friendly. As long as the WPT has events with 500+ players with only the final 6 getting significant TV time, it will be easy to stay away.

Andy

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: samn on Wednesday, December 14 2005 @ 08:45 PM EST
Andy, have you made this public? I.E., told Card Player magazine, let them interview you?


Sam

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: njc2o on Thursday, December 15 2005 @ 01:33 PM EST
Paul Phillips has your back.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: AlanBostick on Thursday, December 15 2005 @ 06:19 PM EST
I've just blogged this, BTW.
http://www.spicejar.org/asiplease/archives/000385.html

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: Firelotus on Friday, December 23 2005 @ 03:44 AM EST
Andy:

I respect your position, but there is nothing unusual about the WPT release.

I handle film releases - and TV releases - on every project I work on, and this release is really not worse than the standard.

Standard film releases, for example. state that the image, etc, may be used IN PERPETUITY, and includes current and ALL FUTURE media - meaning media that hasnt been invented. The industry realized that as we moved from film to video to DVD, satellite, etc, other mediums may arise and they want to make sure that they arent prevented from using it. Its a simple business and legal protection - exactly as Lipscomb has said. Believe me, Ive sat with enough entertainment lawyers and drafted enough talent contracts to know exploitative from reasonable, and this is reasonable.

Lipscombs example with the banner ad he had pulled is a good example of good faith, IMO. I dont see them creating video games, for example, and using images from the tour without permission.

I have had these negotiations with agents - from the bright to the block-heads - and they are always looking at the small picture, looking to squeeze out extra compensation in certain areas where it just isnt the industry standard.

I expect, of course, that this will go the way of film and TV - if you are a big name, you can make unreasonable demands; if you arent, they dont care.

Along with the WSOP, WPT has clearly made stars out of poker players. Would Howard Lederer, who hasnt made a WSOP main event final table in how long, be guest starring on "Las Vegas" with James Caan without the WPT?

Surely, there are other areas the players might want to discuss with WPT - like more invitation "freerolls" where sponsors, and not players, are putting up the dough - put here's the catch - for that to happen, they need names. You boycott, you kill the golden goose.

I see a pattern of biting-your-nose-to-spite-your face that I see in indie films and TV production, and I see it among newbs (to celebrity, at least) who are getting the kind of "good advice" from their agents/managers that TO got from Drew Rosenhaus.

As an example, Im going to post here a standard release that I use.

I've highlighted the type of language I mean. Its all-inclusive - thats the way the legal department demands it be written, and its industry standard. I understand why it sounds Draconian and Orwellian, but it isnt.

Here is a STANDARD industry release.

Gentlemen:

I, the undersigned, hereby grant permission to to photograph me and to record my voice, performances, poses, acts, plays and appearances, and use my picture, photograph, silhouette and other reproductions of my physical likeness and sound as part of the tentatively entitled (the “Picture”) and the [B]unlimited[/b] distribution, advertising, promotion,exhibition and exploitation of the Picture [B]by any method or device now known or hereafter devised in which the same may be used, and/or incorporated and/or exhibited and/or exploited[/b].

I agree that I will not assert or maintain against you,[B] your successors, assigns and licensee[/b]s, any claim, action, suit or demand of any kind or nature whatsoever, including but not limited to, those grounded upon invasion of privacy, rights of publicity or other civil rights, or for any other reason in connection with your authorized use of my physical likeness and sound in the Picture as herein provided. I hereby release you, your successors, assigns and licensees, and each of them, from and against any and all claims, liabilities, demands, actions, causes of action(s), costs and expenses whatsoever, [B]at law or in equity, known or unknown, anticipated or unanticipated, which I ever had, now have, or may, shall or hereafterhave by reason, matter, cause or thing arising out of your use as herein provided[/b].

I affirm that neither I, nor anyone acting for me, gave or agreed to give anything of value to any of your employees or any representative of any television station, network or production entity for arranging my appearance on the Picture.

I have read the foregoing and fully understand the meaning and effect thereof and, intending to be legally bound, I have signed this release.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: AndyBloch on Friday, December 23 2005 @ 05:58 AM EST
Firelotus, I'm not objecting to the "in perpetuity" and other media language. I'm objecting to the words I highlighted.

The standard release you posted is limited to the specific "Picture" and related advertising, promotion, exhibition and exploitation. (The word "exploitation" is a little vague, but a court would probably interpret it narrowly against the drafter of the release.) I'd have little problem signing that release. The WPT release isn't limited to a specific program, or even to the WPT itself, and isn't limited to video. Where in your release is there anything similar to "any and all derivative, allied, subsidiary and/or ancillary uses related thereto (including, without limitation, merchandising, commercial tie-ins, publications, home entertainment, video games, commodities, etc.)." The WPT release goes way beyond a standard release. The extra language there is nothing that the Travel Channel needs to broadcast the show, it's there so the WPT can sell and advertise poker-related or WPT branded products and services using players' names and likenesses without consent or compensation.

The WPT *has* created a video game with video of players from WPT shows without the players' permission.

Lipscomb says he pulled the offending banner ads because he was being nice, not because the law obligated him. His language puts poker players on notice that by signing the release, they grant to the WPT the right to use players' images in that way. (By the way, the ads were on the worldpokertour.com site as well as the affiliate, and they were hosted on worldpokertour.com. It was the WPT itself that was at fault, not a rogue affiliate.)

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: TxFig on Saturday, December 31 2005 @ 12:34 PM EST
I'm not saying you don't have a beef (certainly your objections seem to be fairly narrowly defined - and that is a "good thing"), but Firelotus is (it appears) to be a contract lawyer. I would be [B]very[/b] interested in seeing what other contract lawyers (especially those familiar w/ tv/move contracts) have to say on this issue. I suspect you've talked to a few that endorse your position.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: cgrohman on Friday, December 23 2005 @ 09:31 AM EST
Andy-

What do you think of Steve Lipscomb's recent response?

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: samn on Saturday, December 24 2005 @ 08:44 AM EST
Daniel Negreanu responded to the release in the card player blog...



Sam

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: AndyBloch on Sunday, December 25 2005 @ 02:20 AM EST
Daniel at first found fault with Lipscomb's letter. Then Lipscomb must have talked to Daniel and gotten him to change his mind. Daniel makes the following 4 points on his blog, each of which is wrong:
1) Any exclusive agreements I have are not in jeopardy in any way, shape, or form. Legally, since I have an exclusive deal with FCP for example, they couldn't possibly use my name and likeness to promote WPTonline.
There's nothing in the release which carves out an exception for exclusive deals. If Daniel had a preexisting exclusive deal with FCP, he or FCP might have been able to use that as a defense to enforcement of the release, but Daniel's deal with FCP came well after he signed these WPT releases.
2) Steve's intent with that paragraph didn't come through well in the way that he wrote it. While it reads as though he is clearly stating that he feels as though he has the legal right to use our name and likeness to promote the WPTonline, his intent was to say that he took the banner down simply because the players asked him to, regardless of whether or not he had the right to do that. He would NOT in fact, have the legal right to do that.
If Steve thinks the release does not give the WPT the legal right to use a player's name or likeness in an ad for an online poker site, then why won't he put that in writing in the release?

I reread that sentence several times. Literally, Steve did not say whether or not the WPT was legally required to remove the ads, but he STRONGLY implied that the WPT was not required, and that he only did it because he was asked. He was trying to use it as an example of the WPT "voluntarily" being "fair" to the players. Which would make you feel safer, the WPT only taking down the ad as a favor to the players, or the WPT taking down the ad because they didn't have the legal right to put it there in the first place?

By the way, Steve mentions that the ad "[W]ithout [Lipscomb's] approval... was used by a WPT affiliate." He's downplaying the harm, trying to place the blame on the affiliate, but the offending ad was also on the worldpokertour.com's own pages, and the ad was hosted on a worldpokertour.com domain. Plus the WPT had just issued a press release announcing a significant partnership with the so-called affiliate in question, and the affiliate was and still is featured prominently on the worldpokertour.com website. It was not the act of a rogue affiliate, but the fault of the WPT. Maybe we can't blame Steve here, but the contract is not with Steve Lipscomb, it is with the WPT.

3) The WPT has never, and I mean never used a player's name and likeness without a player's permission and/or compensation.
Well, if the release is read literally, then the players have given consent for everything the WPT has done, and practically anything they could do.

Even under a very reasonable interpretation of the release, the WPT has used players' names and likenesses without their permission. The banner ad is one example. Another is the video game, which contains clips from WPT poker corners and uses some of these clips in marketing the game.

4) Finally, nothing in the release conflicts with any contracts that I currently have signed and wouldn't hinder me from signing future contracts in any way.
I wonder if Daniel really believes this, or if he is just pretending he does so he can use his "understanding" of the release as a defense, in case he has to go to court against the WPT in the future.

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Why I'm not playing the Bellagio WPT
Authored by: Phil Gordon on Monday, January 09 2006 @ 11:19 PM EST
Andy,

As we have discussed, I too refuse to participate in any
WPT events until they "see the light" and make the
changes that are more player-friendly.

The issue is clear: feel free to use me to promote your
show, but that is all. The top players in the world have
endorsement agreements and products that they wish
to sell -- having the WPT have an undeniable right to
use the player for any purpose whatsoever makes it
impossible to give "exclusivity" to a company or a
category.

For instance, the WPT could, conceivably, use my image
and tape from WPT: Bay 101 and WPT: Aruba to create
an instructional video (though clearly, they would want
to eliminate the part where Juha Helpi ran me over when
we played Head's Up). That video would compete with
my own instructional video, Expert Insight: Final Table Poker
(www.expertinsight.com). I have an exclusivity clause with
Expert Insight that I would be in violation of and they
would have clear legal stance to sue me!

The WPT is run by Steve Lipscomb, an egomaniacal guy
who has not respected the rights of the players that have
made him rich. Until he sees the light, he won't be seeing
me. And, like you Andy, I don't think that not having me
there will be any big burden to Steve -- they are still
drawing near record fields to these events. But, I can not
and will not support an organization I believe is bad for
the game.

Phil Gordon

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